Granny's Value-losis Disease

In this episode, retired teachers Lisa and Sue tackle a very real condition no one warned us about: Value-losis—the sudden belief that every dish, photo, knickknack, and Precious Moment figurine is priceless (spoiler: it’s not).

From baby clothes no one wants, to eleven tubs of photos nobody asked for, to the cruel truth about Hummels, Beanie Babies, and Princess Diana collectibles, the ladies dig into why we cling to stuff—and why our kids absolutely do not want to deal with it later. There’s talk of storage units (too many), souvenirs (too big), shot glasses (acceptable), and the existential horror of our Mom’s accumulations.

Along the way, they share practical advice (label your photos, digitize your memories, stop buying “Istan-bowls”), laugh about memory lapses, and swap stories ranging from heartwarming to mildly terrifying (yes, there’s a creepy storage unit moment—trust your Spidey senses).

The big takeaway? Keep what makes you happy—but don’t leave your loved ones buried under your sentimental clutter. Sixty might be the age when you still feel 30… but you finally start asking, “Do I really need this?”

Don’t catch Value-losis. Life laughed.

00:00 Introduction: Meet Lisa and Sue

00:52 The Concept of Value-losis

02:19 Sorting Through Memories

03:43 The Digital Age of Photos

08:52 The Storage Unit Dilemma

11:54 A Creepy Encounter at the Storage Unit

15:34 The Hummel Collection and Family Heirlooms

17:07 Precious Moments and Beanie Babies

18:31 Selling Antiques and Unexpected Popularity

20:28 Downsizing and Valuing Sentimental Items

21:50 Reflecting on Aging and Accumulating Stuff

22:41 Conclusion and Final Thoughts

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Transcript

 Hi, I'm Lisa. And I'm Sue. After more than 35 years in the classroom, we've retired from teaching, but not from telling stories. We've shared our favorite school day tales and now it's time to turn the spotlight on. Yes, us. These days we're focused on growing older, but definitely not growing up. We still don't know what we didn't know.

But you might pick up a life lesson or two between the laugh. Hopefully, you oldies out there will laugh with us and you young whippersnappers will be prepared for what's to come. We didn't know what we didn't know. Life laughed. 

Hey, Sue, Lisa. Good morning, good afternoon, and 

good evening. 

How are ya? Good. I'm doing great.

I think retired teachers,, all of the retired teachers I know are the caregivers of the family. All my friends, 

they're like, oh, I'm taking care of my mom I, I wanna talk today about Value-losis 

Value-losis. It's a word Value-losis.

Osis is a word I made up because I write for 60 and me, online magazine. And I know we've talked about hoarding. Mm-hmm. We've had an episode on hoarding and we had one on, just all the stuff that, you know, you're an elementary teacher.

Mm-hmm. But talking about the stuff that our parents accumulated 

and, you know, Won't be in that situation because I sold my house and I really basically donated like probably 85 to 90% of all my stuff, right? So, I really only have what I need. I consider myself kind of a minimalist. 

Yeah.

But going through those things, I realize that even I am not even close to being a hoarder. But some of the things that I kept, I thought. Why, why who does it have value to? Like, for instance, I kept a lot of my children's clothing. Like, oh, look at that little Gym-bor-ee outfit. Cute. Oh, Gym-bor-ee cute.

Or, oh, look at this little, Disney outfit or those kinds of things.

Oh, I had overall it had moose. antlers.

Yes. And I kept a lot of their little clothes. And so, when my daughter had her children, I got out the tub. And I'm like, oh my gosh. Look through this baby stuff that I saved for you.

And she's like. no, I don't want it. It really means nothing to me. and then my daughter explained, she goes, this means something to you. Yeah. It doesn't mean anything to me because I don't remember being 1-year-old and wearing it. There's a few things in there that she's like, okay, you know, a, a Christening gown, whatever.

When we keep things, it has value to us, and we think it's so important that everybody else should also find it important, but it, it isn't. And how we keep so much in our lives and now going through, like my mom's pictures, my mom had 11 tubs full of pictures.

Nobody wants them. Nobody wants them. Nobody wants them. Nobody wants them. Lisa, 

nobody wants them. So we've, we've literally spent this last. Week going through all of her pictures. She goes, well, I want 'em all scanned. No, we're not scanning. No. So we did come down to the idea, like we took all the pictures with just my brother and all the pictures with just my sister and we sorted them 'em.

Okay. And they have 'em in a box and they have to take them. Yeah. And then one for her grandchildren, . If they were with more in family, we did keep 'em in a family tub for later just because my mom was having a really hard time. Getting rid of those kinds of things or we'll scan some of 'em.

so everybody's taking their box. We got 11 tubs down to four. Oh, that's good. And one of the tubs is just full of picture frames. So nobody wants them. No, we're gonna donate those. Yeah. We literally could. Get it down to just one tub. Sure. But really, where is that 

one tub gonna go even exactly.

Like, where will it go? Because my complaint is that if you are living your life and your expectation is I'm not gonna worry about it, I will let the people that come after me worry about it. Right. Right. That's just wrong.

And picture's a hard thing because a picture that somebody really wants.

they can scan it really quick. Right. Or take a picture of it. Picture of the picture, and then it's really sad, but they get discarded, right? And I have all my pictures now digitized, And I could very easily say, here kids, here's your whole childhood and stuff on a jump drive.

Wouldn't you agree that? 

Back in the day when we were little, taking a picture was a big deal. so I just remember you take the film, you didn't even know, you would say, is this worth a picture? You'd be at the Grand Canyon. You're like, okay, we'll take a picture of the Grand Canyon. 'cause 

you knew you had to get it developed. It was money gonna cost a lot,

and 

you kept the negatives in case you wanted make copies.

And then you put 'em painstakingly and albums and people started scrapbooking. 

but I love going back to pictures and looking through. I, I just absolutely love it. I just took my granddaughter's, our Disney trip that we did in April, and I just took, and they made a book,

well, I have, so I have all of our family trips and stuff on a little video, whether people watch it or not, but I, I do love looking back at pictures, but there's so many, 

you can use technology better as an older person. Myself, all of my emails are in folders, right?

All of them. I have like mine, Aren, , I'm not trying to be pious because everybody has a different personality about it. But the point is, if you're gonna take 15,000 pictures, try to at least put 'em in an album

Well see, I have mine in Google. Google images. Yeah. 

So literally I can just go and search even like a face, I can say my face with these people. Yes. And it'll pull 'em up. Oh. And AI is gonna get so much better. It's so quick that way. But there is something about having physical pictures , we've got a blast going back.

And I'm like. There are baby pictures of me because I'd only ever saw the one. And it was really funny to find the old baby books. So I'm the fourth born, the last child. Oh, the poor. So my girl, my every year there was less in the baby books, right? Oh yeah. 

Oh yeah. 

In my baby book, it was only the information that the nurse wrote in.

And some hair, wasn't it? Some of your hair? No, no, no. This is really funny too. No, 

no. That's it. And then I opened up this envelope. I'm like. Oh my God. There's hair in this. She sent 

me a text with this picture of her looking at this baby hair. 

It's always a lot of hair. I'm like a lot of hair. Oh my God, this is so wrong.

I thought, is this a rag? What? And everybody had baby hair. And only what the nurse wrote in, which was my date. Oh 

yeah. Yeah. 

Not even a footprint. Not even my, 

not even a time, just 

date time and, and it July sometime. 

Oh, July. . 

There's nothing else. But , my mom said she want the baby book.

No, there's nothing in it. 

, But I'm just saying what's right. One person's garbage is another person's treasure. The problem is if 

you're leaving it for your children or your grandchildren, , it's pretty much garbage.

Right. My dear aunt that passed away. I made a movie, kind of a memorial movie, and she was a worldwide traveler. She spent her whole life, she was of every continent , and I got all of her travel pictures, souvenirs, and stuff.

And I jumped drive like. Five terabytes just full of pictures. But you didn't go on those trips? No. And I'm like, I don't know what to do with these. And they've been in my storage for unit for a while, I'm gonna just toss these. 

My, mom just got back from Istanbul. Mm-hmm. And she bought these little bowls for us. Mm-hmm. And they say Istanbul. Mm-hmm. And we were being real nice, like, oh, it's an Istan bowl. Get it. It bowl. And so when people give you souvenirs, you're like.

Thank you. I wasn't in Istanbul, but Okay. Are those T-shirts they like I didn't go there. I didn't go there, so I don't know. But here we go. A  📍 lesson for life. Mm-hmm. With your parents albums or your own, if you have them, just take a sharpie and make a little tag that just says The year.

Even just the year 1998. And then kind of put 'em in order. So I still have a few photo albums and, and 

like I said, all of my base digitized and I have little files like each year and, and my kids can just have that and they can have whatever they want when I'm gone.

oh, they it’s so much that, people keep dishes. Lisa or knickknacks? 

Knickknacks. What's the deal with knickknacks? 

I try really hard. I, I used to get souvenirs when I'd go on trips and then I just cut it back and like. 

No, a lot of stuff. shot glasses.

They're tiny. I have a shot glass for each place. Oh, I have a really cute one with a little glass cactus inside the agave. Yeah, if you want to get a souvenir, make it. Small, make it something that Right. Is truly obvious that it's from that place. Mm-hmm. So I have a, 

a Pandora bracelet. I don't wear very much, but every time I go I just get a little charm from that country. There you go. There you go. And that's my, you go my thing. Getting back to pictures, my dad used to say.

take pictures with your mind, honey. Because sometimes when you're taking pictures, yeah, you miss what's really happening. Oh yeah. I 

would always say click. There's some really good romantic comedy where they go, oh, it was the office, and they go click and they're trying to remember the day.

So you're a collector of shot glasses. I really don't have a collection of anything. I really don't. I was trying to think.

When we did , one of our first Christmas episodes, we talked about all the mugs and I mean, I have a Santa collection, a Snowman collection.

Just because over the years I thought, am I just gonna keep donating this? And I thought, you know, I can keep my favorite ones , 

well, all my, Christmas things are in storage. Storage, yeah.

I have a friend who put a, video out , it was really beautiful, this beautiful music. She's very reflective and just an amazing creative person. But Oh, I'm sitting right here. Oh, yeah. Not her. , She had this beautiful music and she was taking.

Pictures, , of her different ornaments on her tree and talking about how those bring back, the years time. And I love pulling out ornaments. Oh, yeah. And, and being like, oh, I remember this. Or, yeah, I used to always have a tree upstairs. With our ornaments and then one downstairs with all my teacher ornaments that kids had given me.

And I still could have say, oh yeah, that kid, and this kid gave me that. 

but I think we do need to talk about your, storage unit. 'cause in one of our podcasts, I think you talked about how maybe you could live there. Because it's a nice, you said this was all heated?

Didn't you have a story about, yeah. 

Well, okay. First of all, storage units are ridiculous. The fact that I'm storing my children's stuff, how much can I ask? How much, or is that really rude?

It's like 65, 68 a month. A month? A month. A month. And most of it's like my, that was my first rent First of all, you can't get rid of my rescue heroes and my Legos and my daughter's like, you can't get rid of, , but my 

Christmas stuff is in there. But yeah, I have gotten, my children are 29 and 33.

Mm-hmm. And the, rule is at 30. Take your stuff where I have to do it. You can't. Can't storage. 

But I just bought a kitchen table. Don't ask me why. It was a great deal for somebody that, and so it's getting really full right now. Well, you have 

a right to have the storage unit. My mom has one just for medical equipment.

If anyone out there needs an electric wheelchair, it's really nice 

speaking. This is really interesting. Yeah, when I went to the storage unit, yesterday. two guys that were there and they were filling it full of medical supplies. Sure. And that's how they get their supplies, I suppose.

They're like pharmaceutical reps . And then they go, really? Yeah. , But they were inventorying. everything . 

Hey, speaking of storage units, You know, it was such a waste of money. yeah, it happens. , I have two, storage unit stories about storing all your shit, there were two guys that they do the storage wars and they That's a real show.

Yes. , You go and you bid 

for these storage units 

a few minutes, still have to watch 

the show, but I always thought it was kind of fake. 

No. And so these, these two guys, it was like kitty corner from mine and they were there and they were opening up and they were going through everything.

And, the guy it's really weird. He goes, do you have a,, phone? And I'm like, my cell phone. And he goes, no, like a plugin phone. And I'm like, no. And he goes, ah, we're just taking a shot That maybe you had that. I have one. Yeah. But they. They bid on this storage unit.

 And he goes, sometimes we get nothing. Like there's nothing in there. 'cause you don't know what's in there until you opened up. And sometimes at a gold mine. So they had opened this up and they were like. Oh, score. There was like some Milwaukee tools in there and there was like this Harley leather jacket.

Where do these people go? And they, where are they? Well die or they just can't pay the rent anymore. So all their stuff and then He was like, yeah, you know, like bid a hundred bucks and then get this whole storage unit. So it was all their treasures that they kept.

So they, okay. I didn't, I. People 

Storage. 

I think Storage Wars, that television show. I have read they sometimes. , Put stuff in there. All of these too, to make more, well, this wasn't the 

show. This was, I don't know, like a local kind of storage, bidding place, whatever.

We could do that for a living, Lisa. We could, but then he goes, sometimes you just have to haul away all this junk and then you have to pay to,

recycled or whatever.

I wanna tell you what happened like a week ago, I think I called you and told you about it.

I forgot. See happens to her too. I halfway 

through 

the story, I'll interrupt you. Go. Oh yeah. You have those friends at our age, that you know you can tell any secret to anything because you know. They're not gonna spread it because they're gonna forget it within, I don't remember a few hours.

What? Whatever you said. What were we talking about? I don't know. Oh, oh yeah. A story. Oh, I thought you were remember. Okay. this is really creepy. So I'm at the storage unit I used to go in the dark and whenever and luckily this was during the daylight.

But I pulled and I backed into the storage unit, and then it's a code you have to put in. So are these, the doors are to the outside the doors. So you're not 

inside or you're 

not, yeah, to get into the building. Oh, have to have to punch code. Okay. And then when you get in the building, it locks down and then there's two hallways and they light up.

Oh, so you're inside? Yeah. Yeah, it is. It's inside storage and it's heated, so you could live there. Okay. Well I usually am very, very smart about Yes, you are. My surroundings. Yeah. But that day I was in a hurry. I wasn't thinking. So I got out, left my car door open on my driver's side and my purse is sitting on the other seat right there. Yeah. Yeah. And I always, when I go in the storage unit, I always take my purse and my phone. Yeah. And my car keys,

. But. I left it open. I went to open the back and I was pulling the tubs out and putting them on the, curb And I went to just close the door and I look, and there's this. Man standing right by my open door and he's standing there, there has a backpack on.

So I looked at this man and he was probably around. Thirties. , I don't mean to judge anybody, but it did Look like he was, an unhoused individual. Oh yeah. And , I stood there and I looked at him and he was standing right by my door, and in my head I'm like, oh shit. 

Yeah, 

right. Of course. So I reached up and I hit the button, you know, for the, sorry for the bad catch to come down. Funny.

But I could just see that going. And I, I just slowly started walking towards him and he didn't move. And I just walked close to him and I said. hello, and he just stared at me. Thank God my keys were in my pocket though. Yeah. And I just reached kinda like right by his arm and I just shut my door and hit the button on my fob 'cause that was in my pocket.

And I started backing up and he just stood there icky. Yeah., I didn't wanna turn my back to him, but I, punched in and I opened the door. , I started throwing the tubs in through the open door and it was the last tub and it was kind of heavier and I kind of held the door of my butt and I was backing in and he starts walking towards me and I'm like, oh shit.

So I backed in and the door's like, oh, so slow. 

And you see this hand, this creepy. Yeah. I was 

like, and I'm standing there by the door and there's no way to pull it shut, you know? Yeah. You can't make it faster. And so it was like this and he stopped the door. I'm not joking.

What a puke. He opened it up and I backed up., Because the lights,  they're automatic as you walked down the hall. and he stepped in the building and I looked at him and I said, you know, this is high security. There are cameras everywhere.

Good for you. That's a teacher. That's a quick thinking teacher. Right? That's all I said, you know, this is high security and there's cameras everywhere. And he looked around for a little bit and then he backed out and left. And I just stood there going, whew. Oh man. You know what I mean?

Were there really cameras?

Gone, oh, there's cameras

they didn't catch that creeper

since January of this last year, I've had a sense of justice that has not been satisfied. I don't know if that's cryptic enough, but I would've wanted to go to the company and say, can you look at this?

'cause I want this on file. Have you seen this? Man?

I don't know what his intent, maybe it was nothing. Maybe he was just checking it out. But the fact that he didn't speak to me, he should have spoken.

He didn't say a word and that's okay. And he just looked at me. You know, when's when you get that, your Spidey senses kick in. And my Spidey senses it definitely kicked in. Yeah. I try not to make assumptions, but at that moment, right, I got a little bit of my Spidey senses kicked in, and I was really glad. Yeah. And now I will never go back out. Well, eventually, 

. We have to get you non unhoused, non 

outside unhoused.

But I mean, I'm just saying, I wanna make sure that it's during the day and I went there today and it was not that big of a deal. Okay. All Well, I, but that was kind of a situation , if I didn't have a storage unit, 

yeah, that would've never happened. 

Getting back , my mom she was a huge collector of, um, I.

Of, uh, Hummels Hummels. Before we got on, we were talking about Hummels. Oh my God. My mom was obsessed. My brain, I just like, oh my God. We've been talking about Hummels Hummels. My mom just loved hummels , and at the time they were very expensive and really nice. Were they? Yeah, they were. I mean, they're cute, but my mom was really into Hummels.

So now what she's doing, she's got all this stuff and we don't wanna be left with all this stuff. We kept saying you should give it when it means something. To them, yes. That you can give it. You're 

giving it 

while you're still. So she wrapped them up into little boxes and then , the grandkid are gonna grab a number and they go it.

They'll be so happy. and we get the Waterford crystal that we have to draw names, no, thank you. Would you like some fine China? I, we've going through all her jewelry, but my mom has very, very nice jewelry, so, well, my mom has crap jewelry, but , we want it done.

Now,

What you do with the jewelry, another life lesson is if it's costume jewelry. My grandmother worked for a jewelry distributor in Milwaukee and she had the most. Cool stuff. Ballerina pins. And I had this one necklace- it was like a purse. I could put stuff in there. It's so cool.

Made out of metal. Yeah. And she made a beautiful Christmas tree. It was like a three foot, Styrofoam cone covered in costume jewelry. Mm-hmm. It was the most beautiful thing I ever saw. Wow. And if my Uncle Warren has it, I'm telling you right now, I want 

it.

And I want it bad. So you never know. And then you never know. Like here, this is the thing that.

Remember these, and I, I'm not gonna apologize. I'm not gonna apologize. How about the precious moments there?

It's 

look

precious. I, I was gonna say, what about precious moments? And right then she pulled up the pictures of precious moments. I had it all typed in. I was ready to go. Oh, there's some precious moments in my daughter's tub. and my son's okay, because that's what you gave kids in the nineties. If you have a precious moment, go for nothing.

If you have a 

precious moments collection, you have to pay them to take it. You, I can't be your friend. I just can't. My neighbor a while ago had some I walked in a room. It was almost like a horror movie where you did, they 

did. They have the curio cabinet. That's cabinet. Cabinet full of all the Precious Moments?.

Yes, I have a friend. She goes, no, I'm sorry to say I do have all of my Precious moments. You've gotta smash 

them. You've gotta have a party where you smash them. 

They're so cute. 

No, they're not. They're creepy and they're stupid. And I, well, my moms, they're creepy. Look at that one. Come on. Humel Precious moments and Hummels and Beanie Babies.

Your Princess Diana Beanie Baby is worth nothing. It's not, unless it has like a misprint on the tag or something, the odds of it being worth something, the. Any Beanie Baby. Yeah, any of 'em? None. They're worth zippo. The Pokémon’s though. 

Pokémon’s keep coming around and then they're worth lot. Yeah. The 

problem is it's such a niche.

It's that Pokémon card. Yeah. It's only that one and you think, oh, this Barbie or whatever. It's like, no. If it's not pristine or in plastic or whatever, right. It's worth nothing. Yeah.

I have been trying to sell things for my, family members, and sometimes you can get a great amount. I had this old fashioned gas pump. And I got $600 for this thing. Wow. And then I have something else that I think is just tremendous and nobody wants it. Yeah. And I will tell you the story of the, , Playboy. You've heard this, right? 

I 

don't know the Playboy Ash 

Tray. Lisa wouldn't remember if I told her anyway.

So my brother and sister, sister-in-law, I'm a little hurt. Just a minute. I have to get over this. Lisa. Lisa hurt. She won't remember being hurt in a, 

I am younger than you. Beyond. I just sometimes don't remember what word I'm trying to say, but I do remember Yeah. Uhhuh.

She, they had this Playboy, , ashtray. Okay. And it was kind of cool. It was like a, did have boobs in it? Not really. , It was a martini glass with a girl inside it, and she was. Kind of wearing clothes. Was she wearing clothes? I put that on Facebook Marketplace and I just said Playboy from the Playboy Mansion. Sure. And I put 50 bucks on it.

Yeah. And then I put a whole bunch of other cool stuff. Right. Just lots of really old antiques from, from the fifties and sixties. Nothing went. I had no hits. I should have just put boobs or Playboy and they would've gotten hits. I mean, few people looked at my other stuff, candlesticks, silver, all this stuff.

The Playboy. The Playboy Ashray had 2000 views in a week. Are you kidding me? I am not because men are pigs. You said they could look in a circle with a dot.in it for hours. Geez. I know they're visual, but I sold that sucker in less than a week on Facebook marketplace. You can see your stats.

Yeah. I had these really cute antique salt and pepper shakers. Yeah. They were dogs. Mm-hmm. They were so cute. 10 views. I had these fox with a, top hat. I mean, they were just the cutest things. Right. So much stuff and no views this stupid ashtray and I, Oh my God. What did you get for it?

I got 50 and then I asked for $10 for shipping I got a check for $60 and I'm pretty savvy at it, but I'm just surprised. 

And I think the hardest part is as people downsize Like your mom is staying in her house. My mom had to downsize into an apartment, but it's What do you keep what you throw?

, Well the word is 

Valu-losis where you put value on things that have maybe sentimental value to you, but, the problem is when you take something and you have this disease, I call it Value-losis

This is disease where you inflate everything. Everything is so much more valuable, and that includes, any kind of dish, crystal, figurines. Okay, 

Oh, so hey, before we wrap up, 

What's the one thing that you have that's. not something that you use , or you might use it every day, but something that makes you happy.

I'd never get rid of it. Like you'd never get rid it 'cause it makes you happy. Like mine's my bike. Oh, I love my bike. That's it. Makes me happy. That's true. I go see it. Our 

fishing boat, our canoes, and kayak. Like kayak. Yep. but also sprinkled throughout my house.

You do have a lot chotskis, . I have a lot of memories associated with people who are no longer here. Mm-hmm. So I have like little things like that. But once your house becomes this clutter fest where you, you're not able to, it's amazing 

what you collect over the years. It's true. 

And , if I haven't touched it in a year, I have quite a few dishes up there, . Mm-hmm. I get rid. 

Yeah, I got rid of all my dishes. I don't know.

I don't judge people for having the things that make them happy I don't care if you have a house full of things, if it makes you happy and it's not hurting anybody, you go collect and you do it. I just don't want to in the end, leave my children with , a ton of stuff. And there's the question,

when I turned 60 I thought this might be one of the last cars I ever buy. Mm-hmm. Let's say, mm-hmm. This might be one of the last refrigerators I ever buy. When do you say it is time to start parting with things or starting to think about that box in the basement With all my eighth grade stuff.

So I think 60 is kind of the age where you start to face the fact that you too, you're probably not middle age. 'cause 60 plus. 60 is 120 I still 

feel like 

30 

though. 

Me too. You know, like I still feel like.

When I grow up, what am I gonna be? Yeah. What should I do? Yeah, I, yeah. Yeah. I wake up in the morning and I forget how old I am, and I think, what should I do when I get older? . I just don't want to leave everybody with a burden of stuff.

And I think 60 is a normal age to think, I don't wanna just keep accumulating stuff 

I'm becoming more pragmatic as I get older. Mm-hmm. If it's not gonna help enrich my life right this minute, I probably don't need it. Right.

Well, there we go. Value-losis Yeah, Value-losis

really have a lesson life or, well, we, well, we have two life lessons sprinkled in there. But I don't remember what I said. So we'll see you next time.

All right. Well, thanks for listening and I hope you enjoyed us rambling about clutter and storing our stuff. And, and don't catch Value-losis Okay. See you. Bye-bye. 

 Thanks for listening to our podcast. We didn't know what we didn't know. Life laughed. We'll see you next time. Bye bye.